hyatt wrote:I will ask this again.
1. He claimed that Strelka was A RE of his code. He claimed strelka code to be HIS code. Remember that?
2. He now states that if "they typed all that code by hand, it is original at the source code level."
So, which is it? His code? Their ORIGINAL code?
Can't POSSIBLY be both.
hyatt wrote:I believe he made statement 2 in self-defense. Nothing more. Saying "I typed it myself, it is original."
Prima wrote:Damir Desevac wrote:And why should you bother, whether he copy some stuff from Fruit, you did the exact same thing as Miguel pointed out , and you refuse to admit it. At least Vas has balls to admit, whether or not he used/borrowed some ideas from open source engine, which is more that I can say about you and your fellow programmers in the ICGA panel. You are all bunch of saints, have never copied/borrowed any ideas from open source engines...
Besides, are you author of Fruit ? Let Fabien speak for himself. It is his program, not yours. You speak as if Fruit was your own creation. I want to read Monsieur Letouzey's views, not what you or anybody else think. I suppose the only purpose to get Fabien from his retirement was to convince him that Vas plagiarized his program, so that you could strip him of his titles and ban him from participating in future events. Now that you have accomplished that, there is no need for Fabien's assistance, so he might just as well go back to his cave, where he used to be...
Damir Desevec, your post is indicative of those, mostly the pro Rybkas, NOT understanding part(s) of the technical arguments or evidences. The issue of plagiarism has always been about CODE theft and/or failure to acknowledge external code copied FROM. Otherwise called CODE-plagiarism. NOT about idea-plagiarism!!!. Ideas are and have always been free for anyone to use and not have to give credit. But one MUST give credit when using another persons' codes.
In a nutshell: Vas was not banned from ICGA because he used ideas. He was banned because he copied [other] CODES and deliberately FAILED to disclosed the sources of the said codes. How many times has this simple concept been reiterated over and over???
By the way, Vas NEVER admitted, to this day, that he used CODES from Fruit. Not sure where you got the false idea Vas "had some balls to admit using Fruit codes...". In fact, he still claims Rybka is original at the source code level, despite facts proving otherwise. Then he goes on to give a warped, bogus definition of originality of source code. Additionally, the ICGA has stated, REPEATEDLY, that PSTs values ALONE is not admissible as evidence that Vas copied Fruit/Crafty Codes. However, in light of numerous evidences collected, including the 0.0 codes etc, it shows a high probability beyond doubt that the PSTs were copied as well.
Yet you want to criticize Bob and/or the technical matters that you have no conceptual understanding of.
kingliveson wrote:Damir, the only one who can clean this crap (inside joke ) is Vas. First, he needs to release Rybka 1.0 source code, and second, answer question about releasing modified Crafty as his own program which you know by now he calls a "private matter," and refuses to address. Or perhaps, since his followers understand the tongue in which he speaks, you could translate what a "private matter" means...
Damir Desevac wrote:Yes, I understand what the private matter means. If Vas tries some ideas from open source engines like Crafty, Fruit, even modify them as you say, so he can improve his own program, I don't think it is anybody's business what he does with these engines. How many people have secretly looked through Rybka code to see what make it so strong, so they could improve their own programs ? Should they now too release their source ? You can tell that to those who are making money on open source engines, like Houdini, Rick48 and countless of others and refuse to make their source publicly available after having stolen the entire open source program and got away with it...
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