opening books are completely harmless

[Sedat Canbaz]

All the best Sedat !

Thank you dear Zam

[supernova]

...Baron 3.0 book, it's so weak...

Not my problem !
They are a few BIN books which contains ECO B lines :

So this book is used to train my EXP files.

I wish I were the moderator of this forum to help maintain focus on relevant topics and minimize personal conflicts. The current situation is, frankly, ridiculous, immature, and uninteresting. It adds little value to the discussions.

Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

...about this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&p=39742#p39742

...I was simply referring for your latest Deeds matches of 2025!...

You clearly said 2 times "always" :



So your lies have been proven true (evidence #1, evidence #2).

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Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

...you shared Videos on Youtube...
...I was referring NPS values games in PGN (not Videos)...

And i also shared tons of benchmark's results.
If the NPS ​​displayed in the GUI are not the same as those saved in the PGN file it's not my problem !

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Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

ps : special dedication to all the daily testers who still use ultra bullet TC with very few threads/engine in order to force engine's blunders.

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3, 40 threads, hash 4 GB
software : Arena 3.5.1, TC 1m+1s, partial syzygy 7men
engine : Eman 8.40 played with the nn-e1fb1ade4432.nnue net
experience data : current Depth4 EXP file
opening books : width = 1

training mode :


After 10 rounds :

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   # PLAYER                                    :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 UpAndDown 2.bin (Eman 8.40)               :       0    161     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Agarta 040623.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    165     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   3 Littlecat Xtreme 11.6a.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   4 Broth 071224.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    166     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   5 Cani 230323.bin (Eman 8.40)               :       0    157     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   6 Castigo 120224.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   7 Codekiddy 111115.bin (Eman 8.40)          :       0    170     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   8 Dara 20moves.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    167     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
   9 Geralt 010424.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    158     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  10 Hubble 3.3.bin (Eman 8.40)                :       0    155     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  11 LittleCat Xtreme 8.6c.bin (Eman 8.40)     :       0    156     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  12 NebulaRing178.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    156     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  13 Optimus 2409.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    163     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  14 Pampa Book 3.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  15 Ranomi 1.4.bin (Eman 8.40)                :       0    156     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  16 Sailfish 2.bin (Eman 8.40)                :       0    166     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  17 Senufo 181024.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    173     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  18 Spawn 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    159     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  19 The Big Castle 2.bin (Eman 8.40)          :       0    166     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  20 Titans 210610.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  21 Yoruba 081024.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    168     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  22 Knuckle Shuffle v1.bin (Eman 8.40)        :       0    158     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  23 Komodo 210811.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    156     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  24 Lichess Elite Blitz.bin (Eman 8.40)       :       0    163     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  25 Komodo Variety.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    163     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  26 Mustaganem 110424.bin (Eman 8.40)         :       0    165     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  27 SF-SE 181222.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    159     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  28 Nadeln 080719.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    170     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  29 Rodent 051114.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    161     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  30 Morphius 12.9c.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    160     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  31 DONfree 090724.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    157     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  32 Adrio PrO 250824.bin (Eman 8.40)          :       0    158     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  33 Brain 110323.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    159     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  34 Canseven 140223.bin (Eman 8.40)           :       0    171     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  35 Cute 201224.bin (Eman 8.40)               :       0    160     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  36 Hcanfree 2.bin (Eman 8.40)                :       0    162     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  37 Mantis DH2.bin (Eman 8.40)                :       0    167     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  38 Orange 120224.bin (Eman 8.40)             :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  39 ROS 2024.bin (Eman 8.40)                  :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  40 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)         :       0    166     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  41 ThunderWizard 310822.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0    166     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  42 Caterpillar v1.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    162     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  43 Oran 270724.bin (Eman 8.40)               :       0    156     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  44 M13.9.bin (Eman 8.40)                     :       0    163     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  45 Guzelkiz 2.1.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    174     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  46 Qhtane book 170914.bin (Eman 8.40)        :       0    168     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  47 Maverick 290813.bin (Eman 8.40)           :       0    163     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  48 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    167     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  49 Esculapio 100724.bin (Eman 8.40)          :       0    161     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  50 Olisfish 040623.bin (Eman 8.40)           :       0    156     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  51 Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.40)           :       0    164     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  52 Tunafish 3.2.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    159     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  53 Komodo 3.bin (Eman 8.40)                  :       0    161     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  54 PoSS 231118.bin (Eman 8.40)               :       0    165     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  55 Anabolic 221219.bin (Eman 8.40)           :       0    163     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  56 Leschats 141124.bin (Eman 8.40)           :       0    176     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  57 Studentchess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)       :       0    169     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  58 Moon Base Alpha-1.bin (Eman 8.40)         :       0    158     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  59 Open Chess 2.bin (Eman 8.40)              :       0    168     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  60 Storm Worm 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    166     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  61 Chucaro 4 UPD2.bin (Eman 8.40)            :       0    162     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  62 Private Book Ukraine-X.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0    162     5.0      10  50.0    0   10    0  100.0       0     1
  63 20T Eman 8.40 nn-e1fb1ade4432             :       0   ----   327.0     650  50.3    4  646    0   99.4      -2    65
  64 Rybka 301209.bin (Eman 8.40)              :     -35    159     4.5      10  45.0    0    9    1   90.0       0     1
  65 DCbook Large.bin (Eman 8.40)              :     -35    166     4.5      10  45.0    0    9    1   90.0       0     1
  66 Baron 3.0.bin (Eman 8.40)                 :     -71    171     4.0      10  40.0    0    8    2   80.0       0     1

White advantage = 2.16 +/- 10.25
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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20t eman 8.40 nn-e1fb1ade4432          : avg. D31, 001 743 ms/move, 000 650 games, 00 026 650 moves

Averages :
0 145 sec/game (2 min/game)
084 plies/game (067 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 465 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D32, 002 032 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D39, 001 080 ms/move

I wish I were the moderator of this forum to help maintain focus on relevant topics and minimize personal conflicts. The current situation is, frankly, ridiculous, immature, and uninteresting. It adds little value to the discussions.

Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

...DUE NOTHING NEW WHAT DEEDS SHARES SINCE 2021..AND TIME FOR DEEDS TO STOP CHEATING ON OWN PC!!
...BTW, AS ONE OF MOST FUNNY THINGS IS THAT,
DEEDS IS SO COWARD, EXC. ON HIS OWN PC !)

These are just training results of a learning engine after a few rounds from the starting position with a few dozen books as sparring-partners.

No one died, this is not a scientific study, this is not a ranking of engine strength, there will be no title or champion, there are no accusations or insults, I am just making an observation :

After 20 rounds from the starting position, opening books are completely harmless for a learning engine.

No need to cheat because chess is a drawish game, it's logical to us that BIN books produce as many draws. If we wanted to distort reality, we would use ultra bullet TC with only 1 or 2 threads/engine in order to create a blunder's lottery but we're not at the circus.

Furthemore i kindly share the non-drawish games, everything is fine !

I wish I were the moderator of this forum to help maintain focus on relevant topics and minimize personal conflicts. The current situation is, frankly, ridiculous, immature, and uninteresting. It adds little value to the discussions.

Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

...Your target is simply to show that Depth4 EXP is so powerful...
...You pick as opponents the very weak lines...
...report your EXP performance...

Already answered here.
EXP files are databases not engines no strength or performance no story of powerful or weak things.
My main target is to train my EXP files on all the ECO codes, a lifetime hobby.
With a few dozen BIN books as opponents, engine's trainers get a very wide variety.

I wish I were the moderator of this forum to help maintain focus on relevant topics and minimize personal conflicts. The current situation is, frankly, ridiculous, immature, and uninteresting. It adds little value to the discussions.

Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

...about this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&p=39742#p39742

...I was simply referring for your latest Deeds matches of 2025!...

You clearly said 2 times "always" :



So your lies have been proven true (evidence #1, evidence #2).

I wish I were the moderator of this forum to help maintain focus on relevant topics and minimize personal conflicts. The current situation is, frankly, ridiculous, immature, and uninteresting. It adds little value to the discussions.

Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.

[supernova]

I wish I were the moderator of this forum to help maintain focus on relevant topics and minimize personal conflicts. The current situation is, frankly, ridiculous, immature, and uninteresting. It adds little value to the discussions.

Additionally, promoting products within the forum threads is inappropriate and should not be allowed.

Peace people.