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Re: SedatChess

Post by IbaiBuR » Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:52 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:54 pm
Hello Chess Friends,

Here is another new PROOF about who is as BIG liar !!

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Acorrding to IbaiBuR member, where he claims that,
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3600&start=100

He used to play his engines under these conditions:

Regarding the games, you can find them here: https://urls.chessnibble.com/4Hza

General settings for the engines: 2 threads, 512 MB hash
Software used: cutechess-cli
Time Control: 1 min + 1 sec increment
CPU: Intel Xeon Cascadelake Processor @2.4 GHz
RAM: 6 GiB

Code: Select all

cutechess-cli -event "Eman's Learning" -site %computername% -engine conf="Eman1" -engine conf="ShashChess1" -engine conf="BrainLearn1" -tournament gauntlet -each tc=60+1 -maxmoves 250 -draw movenumber=40 movecount=5 score=0 -concurrency 1 -rounds 250 -games 2  -openings file=C:\LearningFarm\OpeningsToLearn\a60_e7e6.pgn format=pgn order=sequential policy=round -repeat 2  -recover -tb C:\LearningFarm\Work\syzygy -tbpieces 5 -pgnout C:\LearningFarm\Games\a60_Learned.pgn -ratinginterval 10
Source:
https://blog.chessnibble.com/learning-s ... d-results/
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And now please see carefully what is going on:

Based on IbaiBuR's database:
Test Start date: 07.03.2023
Test End Date: 12.05.2023
Total Games: 31320
TC 1m+1s = av. 226 sec (per game)

And after checking more closely IbaiBuR's data:
In 66 full days, we see as total 31320 games
That means, he produced (per day): 475 games
Hehe... this man seems to as MIRACLE .. LOL..
And definitely IbaiBuR have to as Candidate in
Guinness records...LOL..

This time I am very serious,
In reality, this is simply just impossible!
Even if we run NON-STOP, I mean on same PC
Exc. these number games can be produced via
Concurrent matches, but definitely NOT via
Concurrent games: 1
Because according to my calculations: av. 382 games
Can be produced (per day), sure I am referring
If we use as TC 1m+1s and Concurrency games: 1

In other words,
It seems that IbaiBuR member is not HONEST at all
Where he tried to fool us many times via saying
SCCT is not valid, because due to my tours are
Played via Concurrent games.ok..what about IbaiBuR?
If still not clear, I strongly believe in that
IbaiBuR is NOT used as Concurrent games: 1
Btw, I'm pretty sure also in that, this liar guy will
Be NOT able to read properly (as before), because he is
So stupid that I am tired to correct his mistakes...and
Very likely he will write TONS of bıllshit as before..
But no so BIG problem..and I can live with that...

After all,
I'm very happy again really, as least I'm not as liar..
As I stated before, my work is not perfect but if nothing else
In my work is all clear... and I never tried to fool others!
Yes... that's the difference between Me and Chameleons team!

But this is also true that,
IbaiBuR member's lies did NOT live so long !!
And as usual, at least (for my side):
The GOOD is managed to win over the BAD!

Ok, that's all...now I can take a DEEP breath )

Thanks for reading!

Best,
Sedat


Meanwhile, (a small note to this IbaiBuR member)
The way, which I work...you can not imagine! and
If you are really at age 19, I hardly doubt..but let's say yes..
There are a LOT of things to LEARN...for now, in my eyes,
You are not even as 'apprentice' in Engine testings!! and now
Take a pencil and write and remember that (as Lesson 1):
1st of all, Learn to be HONEST.. and later we can talk...
Hope helps..
And once again, as expected, Sedat shows his stupidity and ignorance in the field of learning engines :lol:

You try and try and with each try you are lying more and more! For sure, you need to be candidate for the stupidest, most idiot, egotistical and ignorant old man alive!

Since you have no clue of how learning engines work, what is the internal structure of the experience files and how we train them, you shouldnt really continue with this topic, you keep getting humilliated!

Do you see the part of code you pasted from the cutechess-cli script I use to train engine? What is the concurrency? Oh, yeah, IT'S 1. If you havent event read the full blog post, or if you have read it and you dont understand it (most likely, because you are really dumb), dont comment on it! LIAR!

As DeeDs has explained, I used the LearningFarm method to train the experience files. What does it consist of? Well, firstly, I have 2 hosts available, not just 1 machine, same specs, Intel Xeon Cascadelake Processor(only 6c/6t, no HT available), 6 GiB of RAM. In each host, I train 2 openings, that means 4 openings in total are trained combining the two hosts (I clarify this since I know math is difficult for an old man with an slow brain). Each instance of cutechess-cli is launched with CONCURRENCY 1 as you can see in the script I have posted in the blog and that you shared. I launch 4 instances then, 1 per opening, but again, each instance is running with CONCURRENCY 1. Do you understand this Sedat? It is not 1 instance with concurrency 4, it is 4 instances with CONCURRENCY 1, it is not the same, PLEASE USE GLASSES AND LEARN TO READ, dumbass. In this way, the experience files are only read by 1 instance of Eman and the experience data doesnt get corrupted, the contrary to your useless and not valid tests.

I have never tried to fool anyone my settings are clear and my job is clear, if you are unable to understand it it is not my issue but yours, I cant imagine how low your IQ is if you cant understand this.

So returning, 4 instances, with concurrency 1, and taking in account I get on average 120 games/ instance per day, if we multiply it by 4 = 480 :o :o :o :o

Oh, thats very close to what you say->475

It is also not my problem that you only have 1 machine and cant do this kinds of things, imagine wasting such big amount of money on a Dual Threadripper system to do what? 100 games tests with 2 engines and stupid not valid Duels. :lol:

So please, Sedat, stop LYING! At some point you should start to learn that you are not always right! If you dont believe I am 19 years old, check this: https://ratings.fide.com/profile/54596777 STUPID! You dont even know to make a simple search with google!

Your lies did live less than 2 hours hahahaha, thanks for exposing again how ignorant you are in this field, you are really showing 0 knowledge. 20+ years testing engines for nothing basically, only to get harmed by a single opinion from a 19 year old guy and to start searching and searching for something to destroy my work, but you CANT, because you are not even close to understanding it, return to school it will be good for you!

Bye bye, STUPID LIAR

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Re: SedatChess

Post by deeds » Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:58 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:43 pm
Hehe... I catched you !!
Deeds = IbaiBuR ?

Or maybe,
You are as another advocate of other member...LOL..
You have so much info about his conditions..LOL..
No need advocate, Sedat, simply, look at the author of the "how to create a learning farm" topic, it was me, that's why i know how IbaiBuR did.

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:43 pm
In other words,
In 66 full days, no way to produce 31.320 games
Sure I mean if we run 1m+1s, Concurrent games: 1
Because, his database's overall average move length : 53

If still not so clear,
In 66 NON-STOP days, via 1m+1s, Concurrent: 1
Minus plus 25.000 games can be produced...

But definitely,
No way to produce close to 31.320 games
IbaiBuR created a learning farm with several cutechess instances so it produces several games at the time.
And each engine of each cutechess instance has its own experience file, that's why concurrency = 1.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by IbaiBuR » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:16 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:43 pm
Hehe... I catched you !!
Deeds = IbaiBuR ?

Or maybe,
You are as another advocate of other member...LOL..
You have so much info about his conditions..LOL..

Well, this is my last replay about this issue,
Because, what you are claim...it's NONSENSE!

Anyhow, I will try to explain once more..
But not for you...because you are as BUGGY engine!
Because as I said before,
You are not capable to learn..sad really...!

In other words,
In 66 full days, no way to produce 31.320 games
Sure I mean if we run 1m+1s, Concurrent games: 1
Because, his database's overall average move length : 53

If still not so clear,
In 66 NON-STOP days, via 1m+1s, Concurrent: 1
Minus plus 25.000 games can be produced...

This is other question of course, in 66 days..
IbaiBuR's hardware was all time active ?
I hardly doubt...if count some days are not..
Very likely in 66 days,
20.000 games can be produced...sure I am
Talking for my side...

But definitely,
No way to produce close to 31.320 games

If still not so clear,
Prove that I am wrong.. but next time, instead of comments,
Come with real facts
You are such a paranoid lol, you have really no clue! How can I be DeeDs? He lives in France, I live in Spain!

More examples, he is an VB.NET programmer, I am a C programmer. He has a different age than me too, he has talked with you before...

Everyone can just check the github profiles and judge by himself! Maybe you are unable because you are stupid and you are obssesed with DeeDs because he exposed your lies and see him in every person that replies to you.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:44 pm

IbaiBuR wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:52 pm
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And once again, as expected, Sedat shows his stupidity and ignorance in the field of learning engines :lol:
Oh..fnely, you've started to talk with more details..LOL
But interesting...each time, after my postings... )))
Anyhow..now is more clear about your test cond.
Otherwise, no way to produce 31.000 games..
So your test is valid, my test not... hehe.. come on ))
You are really as IDIOT...sorry.. but reality is reality !

And again again.. I suggest to you:
Be more clear with your test cond next time..
In this way.. believe me, your test will be more clear...
Because not all of us are so so clever like you!!

However, I am really sorry to say that,
I still believe that you are not as honest or
Or you have no clue about what is going on...

Do you know why? if not so clear,
Try to learn, take lessons, will be not bad!
If you was as real honest guy,
Then I'd expected at least to say that
Eman exp is suitable via RapTora 2.2

But what kind of lie you said,
Not suitable.. really a BIG lie! if still not so clear:
I'd prefer to relay on my testings than your comments.. ok?
But real problem is in your BIG brain.. but if you are 19 years old as you say..
Actually I'm not much surprised... a lot of thing you have to learn and train
And later you come and may qualify to be in higher LEAGUE!
Till to this date... I suggest learning and learning !

That's all.. I do not plan to spend more time here...

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Re: SedatChess

Post by IbaiBuR » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:53 pm

As expected, you dont even reply to half of what I have said and deviate the attention again, LIAR EXPOSED haha. In the blog post I clearly said I use the LearningFarm method and in another blog post I briefly explained how it worked and linked DeeDs threads about it!

I was not replying because I told you: "I will not interact with you anymore unless you say something harmful or not true about me"

You kept quiet for some time but the returned calling me IDIOT, so I felt the need to intervene. Now you come again and start saying lies and inventions about my hardware usage, my trainings, my hosts and my methods.

I repeat, leave my in peace and I'll leave you in peace, you are obssesed and paranoid!

And not, RapTora2.2 is not suitable via Eman.exp, your tests are not valid and do not show anything.

I am also not surprised that you are unable to understand simple things, I feel sorry for your SMALL, SLOW BRAIN, it is a pity that you cant understand what I write, sadly :(

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:06 pm

IbaiBuR wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:53 pm
As expected, you dont even reply to half of what I have said and deviate the attention again, LIAR EXPOSED haha. In the blog post I clearly said I use the LearningFarm method and in another blog post I briefly explained how it worked and linked DeeDs threads about it!

I was not replying because I told you: "I will not interact with you anymore unless you say something harmful or not true about me"

You kept quiet for some time but the returned calling me IDIOT, so I felt the need to intervene. Now you come again and start saying lies and inventions about my hardware usage, my trainings, my hosts and my methods.

I repeat, leave my in peace and I'll leave you in peace, you are obssesed and paranoid!

And not, RapTora2.2 is not suitable via Eman.exp, your tests are not valid and do not show anything.
Hey boy,

Hehe.. not sure who is paranoid...but there is one true
I have to be stay far from guys like you...for this reason
I realized to be not active in forums.. BRAVO to you!
Otherwise...no any way to love my chess hobby..,really!

On other hand,
Actually what you are doing here ? that means you are paranoid too, LOL..
If you was so so clever guy...you'd stay far away from paranoids... LOL
As you may see... I am not on your thread...you came firstly...
Claiming many time as SCCT is not valid... LOL

And next time,
Be honest and don't try to fool the people anymore, ok ?
Because Eman. exp is perfectly suits to Raptora 2.2 engine
Even in Concurrent matches...
If nothing else, on my test conditions...hope helps...

Bye Bye

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Re: SedatChess

Post by IbaiBuR » Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:14 pm

If you are going to be far from public forums thanks to me, I am so pleased an relieved, no more lies then, and peace everywhere, finally.

Raptora does not fit well with Eman exp and thats all, and your tests do not say nothing about the experience data. Why? Because the test is with 2 different engines and we dont know if the wins come from the experience data (for sure not) or from the engines being different itself!

I promised to stay far away from you if you stayed far away from me, but you kept and kept mentioning, insulting and lying about me because you are obssesed haha, thats all

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Re: SedatChess

Post by deeds » Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:59 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:43 am
...
1st Test: Ruleeee exp + Eman 8.91 vs SF-PB 060623
Note: Cutechess GUI's concurrent games: 1
...
Waiting Rulleeeee sends us the exp file that Sedat used for his "1st test", i checked the conformity with the experience data of an older Rulleeeee's exp :
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I never saw kind of ultra low rate :(

Maybe with the right Rulleeeee's exp file, these stats will be better...

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:18 pm

IbaiBuR wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:14 pm

Raptora does not fit well with Eman exp and thats all, and your tests do not say nothing about the experience data. Why? Because the test is with 2 different engines and we dont know if the wins come from the experience data (for sure not) or from the engines being different itself!
You are not nortmal for sure.. this is already as a fact!
If not still so clear, but next 77 times re-rard and check!
Very likely as before you will miss, but as last time I will try what is going on:
I ran many testings...I have 100% proof, where we noticed that
Even RapTora 2.2 + Eman exp performed better than Eman 8.91 + Eman exp
Do yoy understand ?...I am really already tired to correct your silly mistakes...
And frankly, I have never seen such IDIOT like you...
Actually do you know where is your BIGGEST problem?
You relay too much on Deeds...btw, there is such good saying:
Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are

On other hand,
You may notice or not.. after when I noticed what kind fo man is Deeds
I realized to stay far away from his main threads... because too much
Bullshit in hist testings...sorry... I have more important thing to do...

Ok.. that's all... you can write anything as you wish...
I 'm not going to spend more time with IDIOTS like you!

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Re: SedatChess

Post by dorsz » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:37 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:18 pm

You are not nortmal for sure.. this is already as a fact!
If not still so clear, but next 77 times re-rard and check!
Very likely as before you will miss, but as last time I will try what is going on:
I ran many testings...I have 100% proof, where we noticed that
Even RapTora 2.2 + Eman exp performed better than Eman 8.91 + Eman exp
Do yoy understand ?...I am really already tired to correct your silly mistakes...
And frankly, I have never seen such IDIOT like you...
Actually do you know where is your BIGGEST problem?
You relay too much on Deeds...btw, there is such good saying:
Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are

On other hand,
You may notice or not.. after when I noticed what kind fo man is Deeds
I realized to stay far away from his main threads... because too much
Bullshit in hist testings...sorry... I have more important thing to do...

Ok.. that's all... you can write anything as you wish...
I 'm not going to spend more time with IDIOTS like you!
What a toxic thread. About a month ago, there were no such posts on this forum. Calm down.

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