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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:41 pm

UPDATE 3

And for the moment, Mr. Nemeth's engine:
Omega MPV takes the lead...2nd Kookaburra, 3rd Stockfish dev. !

And to be honest,
I like much ongoing CS..after each round, most ranks are changing!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Omega MPV                       8       6     943   51.2%   93.2% 
   2 Kookaburra 3.10                 7       6     945   51.0%   92.9% 
   3 Stockfish 020425                6       6     941   50.8%   92.5% 
   4 KillfishPB 110425               3       6     941   50.5%   92.0% 
   5 Corchess 210325                 3       6     944   50.4%   92.7% 
   6 SF-X 130425                     1       6     944   50.2%   93.2% 
   7 SF PRO2 190325                  1       6     943   50.2%   91.8% 
   8 Artemis 12TR                   -2       6     942   49.7%   93.5% 
   9 HypnoS++ 1.02                 -27       7     941   46.1%   89.4% 

4242 of 4680 games finished.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:54 pm

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Breaking News (15.04.2025):
Well, here another new series of 3800+ tours... congrats and many thanks!
This time Kookaburra said the 'last' word! Despite on many newer versions,
Kookaburra is Kookaburra, proved not once, many times to be one of best!
On other hand, it seems that since a long time no much Elo improvements!
But if not today...why not tomorrow? all in Eng programmers hands, right ?
Btw, frankly I was not planing to organize 3800+ tour at these days..but due
To respect to Mr. Vasid Chouhan (who is author of SF-X)..I realized to run it..
Anyhow no any regret and it's al right...but next similar future tour is planing
To be organized after several months..since nowadays I have no much free
Time for chess...Ok dear friends that's all for now..take care and stay safe )

LXIII's Champion: Kookaburra - My Congratulations to DorsZ, SF team too!

FOR FINAL RANKING:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-63

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/mthXgL7L#TclLu-c3- ... RBmiuOtxbY

GREETINGS

ZamChess
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Re: SedatChess

Post by ZamChess » Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:23 am

Thank you Sedat !

Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:04 pm

ZamChess wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:23 am
Thank you Sedat !
My pleasure Zam :difus_19

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:05 pm

Unofficial Test

Due to request and respect to APOCALYPSE,
Former Champion: SF PRO2 290125 is played..

And now is more clear that,
Under current cond. Kookaburra seems to be best of best!

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Rank Name                Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Kookaburra 3.10    3825    4    4  1170   51%  3818   92% 
   2 Stockfish 020425   3824    4    4  1170   51%  3818   92% 
   3 Omega MPV          3823    4    4  1170   51%  3818   94% 
   4 KillfishPB 110425  3821    4    4  1170   51%  3818   92% 
   5 SF PRO2 290125     3821    4    4  1170   50%  3818   93% 
   6 Corchess 210325    3821    4    4  1170   50%  3818   93% 
   7 SF-X 130425        3820    4    4  1170   50%  3819   93% 
   8 SF PRO2 190325     3820    4    4  1170   50%  3819   92% 
   9 Artemis 12TR       3816    4    4  1170   50%  3819   93% 
  10 HypnoS++ 1.02      3796    4    4  1170   46%  3821   89% 
SF PRO2 290125's Games:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/xNmfxrLi

Greetings

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Apr 30, 2025 1:54 pm

Hello There,

As usual, I am very pleased to announce:
Here is just another New Unofficial Test!

What is New ?
Exactly same cond. as recent LXIII CS is used,
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-63
Exception this time UHO 2024 BIG +0.80 +0.99 openings is used!

Reason of running this new test is that,
-Simply to check again the influence of
UHO Openings, which are much less Drawish,
But In same time..they are much more critical,
And much weaker than Unique openings for sure!

Moreover, in the end... we'll have opportunity,
Chances again to check draw ratio, but with close
To +0.80 +0.99 Advantage/Disadvantage openings!

As other very important issue (at least for my side):
For example, if running about 1000+ games (per player)
Is enough or not enough regarding to see real strength ?!
E.g Kookaburra v3.10 via 1000+ games and Unique suite is
Performed as best of best!

Plus via ongoing unofficial test, we can check also
About what will be the Elo Difference e.g via Unique:
All players Elo were less than 10 Elo, exc. Hypnos which
Performed about 25-30 Elo worse than most Top engines!

And I wonder as well, for example, now:
Stockfish 020425 dev. will manage to be Champ?!
Since SF team is highly engaged on tuning etc.
Via various UHO suite series...

Btw (for anyone missed, interested too),
The previous test (via UHO 2022 8mvs +170-179 openings):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-nn-cs-56

And meanwhile, SCCT (from all independent organizers) seems to be
The World's 1st engine rating, which used to play via UHO openings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-1

And here are the latest results (after 140+ games per player):

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 SF-X 130425                    36      41     144   55.2%   47.9% 
   2 Omega MPV                      24      40     147   53.4%   49.7% 
   3 Kookaburra 3.10                21      39     146   53.1%   52.7% 
   4 Stockfish 020425               16      39     149   52.3%   52.3% 
   5 SF PRO2 190325                  7      36     147   51.0%   59.9% 
   6 Corchess 210325                 5      32     147   50.7%   67.3% 
   7 Artemis 12TR                    0      38     147   50.0%   53.7% 
   8 KillfishPB 110425             -19      35     146   47.3%   61.6% 
   9 HypnoS++ 1.02                 -93      38     145   36.9%   54.5% 

659 of 4680 games finished.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL )

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:30 pm

UPDATE 2

And here latest standings after 390+ games per player, where
Omega MPV takes the lead, 2nd Kookaburra, 3rd SF-X 130425

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Omega MPV                      26      23     394   53.7%   55.1% 
   2 Kookaburra 3.10                22      23     397   53.1%   54.9% 
   3 SF-X 130425                    12      23     393   51.8%   53.7% 
   4 Stockfish 020425                9      24     392   51.3%   52.0% 
   5 Corchess 210325                 7      21     393   51.0%   61.8% 
   6 KillfishPB 110425              -4      22     395   49.5%   58.0% 
   7 Artemis 12TR                   -4      23     395   49.5%   56.5% 
   8 SF PRO2 190325                 -4      22     396   49.4%   59.3% 
   9 HypnoS++ 1.02                 -65      23     397   40.8%   55.9% 

1776 of 4680 games finished.
One thing more,
In the end, to see all Whites + Blacks performances..
I hope to create General statistics of both tours too!
E.g with Unique and UHO opening suites

Greetings

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:01 pm

UPDATE 3

After 750+ games (per player),
Kookaburra 3.10 takes the lead, but with clear MARGIN!
2nd SF-X 130425 where 3rd belongs to Corchess 210325 and Omega MPV!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Kookaburra 3.10                22      16     762   53.1%   56.2% 
   2 SF-X 130425                    14      17     759   52.0%   54.3% 
   3 Corchess 210325                11      15     758   51.6%   60.8% 
   4 Omega MPV                      11      16     761   51.6%   55.6% 
   5 Stockfish 020425                8      17     761   51.1%   53.9% 
   6 SF PRO2 190325                  4      16     763   50.6%   60.0% 
   7 KillfishPB 110425               0      17     761   50.0%   54.5% 
   8 Artemis 12TR                   -8      16     760   48.9%   59.1% 
   9 HypnoS++ 1.02                 -63      16     761   41.0%   55.5% 

3423 of 4680 games finished.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:34 pm

BREAKING NEWS
The Unofficial test (with UHO 2024 BIG +0.80 +0.99 openings) is ended..
Where even with more critical lines, Kookaburra is again NUMBER ONE!
But Stockfish 020425 dev performed below than expected..and who knows?
Maybe min 10.000+ games (per player) required, to see real SF dev strength?
Btw, with Unique suite: SF dev performed so good..almost same as Kookaburra!
On other hand, 2nd SF-X 130425, 3rd Corchess 210325 and if we are going to
Compare other stats, HypnoS is again in last place but as main difference is
80+ Elo diff. than 1st and last place, where the rest players about 20 Elo..
I mean there is much diff. if comparing official tour (with Unique suite)
Anyhow, UHO 2024 BIG +0.80 +0.99 seems to be not bad suite..besides
Not so Drawish, as we see, with av. 57% draw ratio, really not high!

The Winner: Kookaburra - My Congratulations to DorsZ, SF team too!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Kookaburra 3.10                21      14    1040   53.1%   55.4% 
   2 SF-X 130425                    17      14    1040   52.5%   53.5% 
   3 Corchess 210325                11      13    1040   51.6%   59.0% 
   4 Stockfish 020425                7      14    1040   51.0%   54.1% 
   5 Omega MPV                       6      14    1040   50.8%   55.3% 
   6 SF PRO2 190325                  3      14    1040   50.4%   58.3% 
   7 KillfishPB 110425               2      14    1040   50.2%   55.9% 
   8 Artemis 12TR                   -2      14    1040   49.7%   58.3% 
   9 HypnoS++ 1.02                 -66      14    1040   40.6%   55.1% 

4680 of 4680 games finished.
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/b0JWUJYT#N54m0qzm3 ... sodyaJzn7Q

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 30s+0.5s, 64 Hash, 4-MEN
As openings: UHO 2024 BIG +0.80 +0.99 used, each line re-played twice

And please stay tuned, more info soon as possible,
Plus I hope to create GENERAL STATS of both Tours!

Greetings

Anton101
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Re: SedatChess

Post by Anton101 » Wed Apr 30, 2025 8:54 pm

Thank you very much, Sedat, for your incredible work.

However, without detracting from the work Dorsz has done, this contradicts the metrics on the following page.

Something doesn't add up.

No offense to anyone: https://nextchessmove.com/dev-builds

Best regards!

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