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Amos 4ever wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:56 pm HypnoS
1a : g2g4
1b : e2e4 ponder c7c5

Thank you !

I hope you will find some free time to run the test 2...

rulleeeee wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:03 pm Test 1a: best move g2g4

Test 1b: bestmove e2e4 ponder e7e5

Eman 8.70

Thank you !

I hope you will find some free time to run the test 2...

Test 2a
StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book - StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book False; 10 Games +1 =9 -0

[Event "StockfishMZ, Blitz 1.0min+1.0sec"]
[Site "ACER_NITRO_5"]
[Date "2024.11.22"]
[Round "7"]
[White "StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book"]
[Black "StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book, False"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]
[Annotator "7.62;0.11"]
[PlyCount "99"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]

{11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2304 MHz W=30.1 plies; 1 645kN/s; 5 568 TBAs B=29.7 plies; 1 350kN/s; 265 TBAs} 1. c4 {0.01/0 0 Both last book move} e5 {0.11/33 5} 2. Nc3 {0.01/0 0} Nf6 {0.03/29 3} 3. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0.04/29 1} 4. e4 {0.01/0 0} Bb4 {0.14/36 9} 5. d3 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0.12/28 1} 6. a3 {0.01/0 0} O-O {0.38/29 13} 7. axb4 {7.62/29 1} Nxb4 {7.61/28 4 (Bg4)} 8. Be2 {7.77/26 2} Bg4 {7.38/25 1} 9. O-O {7.61/30 5 (Be3)} a5 {7.55/27 5} 10. Be3 {7.69/26 2} Re8 {7.16/26 3 (Nc6)} 11. h3 {7.27/31 12} Bh5 {7.28/25 2} 12. Nh4 {7.28/26 7 (Ne1)} Bxe2 {7.00/22 1} 13. Qxe2 {7.25/24 1} Nd7 {6.81/23 2} 14. Nf5 {7.18/25 2 (Nf3)} g6 {6.94/25 2} 15. Nh6+ {7.91/24 5} Kg7 {6.99/24 2} 16. Rad1 {7.86/22 2 (Nd5)} Nc6 {7.08/22 2} 17. Qf3 {7.71/25 3} Rf8 {7.26/25 4 (f6)} 18. Qg3 {7.85/23 2} a4 {7.16/22 1} 19. Nd5 {7.81/23 2} Ra5 {7.29/25 9} 20. h4 {7.77/24 2} Nd4 {7.48/22 2} 21. Nf5+ {8.01/23 2} Nxf5 {7.64/23 1} 22. exf5 {8.12/26 3} c6 {7.69/21 1} 23. Nc3 {8.15/24 2} Nf6 {7.71/24 3} 24. Ne4 {8.12/23 2 (d4)} Nh5 {7.52/19 1} 25. Qg4 {8.16/24 2 (Qg5)} d5 {7.55/22 3} 26. Ng3 {8.11/21 3} Nf6 {7.70/18 1} 27. Qe2 {8.13/23 2} Re8 {7.74/22 2 (Ra6)} 28. h5 {7.97/24 2} Ra6 {7.56/22 3 (c5)} 29. c5 {8.61/25 4 (Bg5)} Ng8 {8.95/19 2 (Qd7)} 30. Qg4 {9.77/22 3} Nf6 {8.25/15 0} 31. Qh4 {10.11/21 2 (Qh3)} Nxh5 {9.25/19 1} 32. Nxh5+ {10.46/23 2} gxh5 {9.43/17 0} 33. Qxh5 {10.48/22 3} Qf6 {9.64/18 1 (Rg8)} 34. Bg5 {11.10/21 2 (Qg4+)} Qxf5 {10.73/20 2} 35. Bh6+ {11.88/18 2} Kf6 {10.87/17 1} 36. Qh4+ {11.72/18 2} Ke6 {10.85/16 0} 37. f4 {12.12/20 2} Kd7 {11.14/20 2} 38. fxe5 {12.27/18 1} Qe6 {11.13/18 0} 39. Rf6 {12.30/19 1} Qe7 {11.08/16 0 (Kc8)} 40. Rdf1 {12.15/19 2} Qxc5+ {11.65/19 2 (Kc8)} 41. d4 {12.59/18 1} Qb5 {12.36/18 2 (Qb4)} 42. Rxf7+ {18.92/19 1} Kc8 {12.50/18 1} 43. Rf8 {22.79/19 1} Qxf1+ {12.45/16 1 (c5)} 44. Kxf1 {#11/30 1 (Rxf1)} Rxf8+ {#15/37 1} 45. Bxf8 {#10/34 1} Ra7 {#10/30 0 (c5)} 46. Qxh7 {#5/79 1 (Qg4+)} a3 {#4/123 0 (b6)} 47. Bd6 {#4/245 1} b6 {#3/245 0} 48. Qxa7 {0.01/0 0} Kd8 {0.01/0 0} 49. Qc7+ {0.01/0 0} Ke8 {0.01/0 0} 50. Qe7# {0.01/0 0} 1-0




Test 2b
StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book - StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book True; 10 Games, +1 =9 -0

[Event "StockfishMZ, Blitz 1.0min+1.0sec"]
[Site "ACER_NITRO_5"]
[Date "2024.11.22"]
[Round "3"]
[White "StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book"]
[Black "StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book, True"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]
[Annotator "0.21;0.21"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]

{11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2304 MHz W=24.5 plies; 1 388kN/s; 27 TBAs B=43.5 plies; 1 236kN/s; 701 TBAs} 1. c4 {0.01/0 0 Both last book move} e5 {0.21/64 0} 2. Nc3 {0.01/0 0} Nf6 {0.11/51 0} 3. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0.00/50 0} 4. e4 {0.01/0 0} Bb4 {0.00/58 0} 5. d3 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0.00/71 0} 6. a3 {0.01/0 0} Bxc3+ {0.28/50 0} 7. bxc3 {0.21/23 1} h6 {0.00/48 0 (0-0)} 8. g3 {0.40/24 1} Be6 {0.12/44 0 (0-0)} 9. Bg2 {0.37/22 2} Qd7 {0.00/53 0} 10. Rb1 {0.31/23 2} Rb8 {-0.01/47 0 (b6)} 11. Nh4 {0.15/27 7} O-O {0.00/48 0} 12. a4 {0.00/30 9} Ne7 {0.00/41 0 (Nh7)} 13. f4 {0.00/23 1} Bg4 {0.00/45 0 (exf4)} 14. Qc2 {0.58/27 2} exf4 {0.00/43 0} 15. gxf4 {0.58/22 2} Ng6 {0.00/51 0} 16. Nf3 {0.59/22 2} Rbe8 {0.00/48 0 (Kh7)} 17. O-O {0.63/24 2} b6 {0.00/43 0} 18. f5 {0.81/24 2} Ne5 {0.00/44 0} 19. Nd4 {0.73/30 11} Kh7 {0.59/25 5 (a6)} 20. Ra1 {0.88/26 3 (h3)} g5 {0.11/45 0} 21. Ne2 {1.17/26 5 (a5)} Rg8 {0.65/23 3} 22. Ra2 {1.09/24 3} Bxe2 {0.80/26 6 (Nh5)} 23. Qxe2 {1.14/24 2} g4 {0.87/28 8} 24. Kh1 {1.00/28 6} Qe7 {0.81/25 2 (Qd8)} 25. Qe3 {0.92/23 2} Qf8 {0.97/28 3} 26. Rg1 {1.02/22 1 (Re2)} Rg5 {0.68/22 2} 27. Qe2 {1.02/24 2} Rg7 {1.09/30 12} 28. Qe3 {1.48/24 2} Rg5 {0.97/27 3} 29. Qg3 {1.46/25 3} Rh5 {0.88/27 2} 30. Re2 {1.38/22 2 (Rf1)} c5 {1.17/27 15} 31. Rf2 {1.39/28 7 (Bf4)} Qg8 {1.14/24 2} 32. Re1 {1.64/24 3 (Re2)} Qg7 {2.03/31 20 (Rg5)} 33. Bf4 {1.76/23 2} Rg5 {1.87/31 6} 34. Bxg5 {1.69/23 1 adjud.} 1-0

Why did the game end so quickly? Because in chessbase when I accidentally turn the mouse wheel the engines stop playing so I decided to predict the victory myself (you can see from the engines' evaluation that the victory goes to white's advantage)

Hi all,
I am reading without understanding much from this thread, I am puzzled... Can somebody kindly tell me what the objective of these tests is?
Eventually, is there a useful conclusion as an outcome?
Thanks!

Hi tibono, maybe you missed this post :
https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.ph ... =10#p38155

What are your results for test 1 ?

rulleeeee wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:03 pm Test 2a

[Event "StockfishMZ, Blitz 1.0min+1.0sec"]
[Site "ACER_NITRO_5"]
[Date "2024.11.22"]
[Round "7"]
[White "StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book"]
[Black "StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book, False"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]
[Annotator "7.62;0.11"]
[PlyCount "99"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]

{11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2304 MHz W=30.1 plies; 1 645kN/s; 5 568 TBAs B=29.7 plies; 1 350kN/s; 265 TBAs} 1. c4 {0.01/0 0 Both last book move} e5 {0.11/33 5} 2. Nc3 {0.01/0 0} Nf6 {0.03/29 3} 3. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0.04/29 1} 4. e4 {0.01/0 0} Bb4 {0.14/36 9} 5. d3 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0.12/28 1} 6. a3 {0.01/0 0} O-O {0.38/29 13} 7. axb4 {7.62/29 1} Nxb4 {7.61/28 4 (Bg4)}...

In training mode, the engine has to try even the bad moves in order to learn :

rulleeeee wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:03 pm Test 2b
StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book - StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book True; 10 Games, +1 =9 -0

[Event "StockfishMZ, Blitz 1.0min+1.0sec"]
[Site "ACER_NITRO_5"]
[Date "2024.11.22"]
[Round "3"]
[White "StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book"]
[Black "StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book, True"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]
[Annotator "0.21;0.21"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]

{11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2304 MHz W=24.5 plies; 1 388kN/s; 27 TBAs B=43.5 plies; 1 236kN/s; 701 TBAs} 1. c4 {0.01/0 0 Both last book move} e5 {0.21/64 0} 2. Nc3 {0.01/0 0} Nf6 {0.11/51 0} 3. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0.00/50 0} 4. e4 {0.01/0 0} Bb4 {0.00/58 0} 5. d3 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0.00/71 0} 6. a3 {0.01/0 0} Bxc3+ {0.28/50 0} 7. bxc3 {0.21/23 1} h6 {0.00/48 0 (0-0)}...

In tourney mode, the engine respects its EXP file as much as possible :

rulleeeee wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:03 pm Test 2b
StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book - StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book True; 10 Games, +1 =9 -0

[Event "StockfishMZ, Blitz 1.0min+1.0sec"]
[Site "ACER_NITRO_5"]
[Date "2024.11.22"]
[Round "3"]
[White "StockfishMZ 170522 Bin Book"]
[Black "StockfishMZ 170522 Exp Book, True"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]
[Annotator "0.21;0.21"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]

{11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz 2304 MHz W=24.5 plies; 1 388kN/s; 27 TBAs B=43.5 plies; 1 236kN/s; 701 TBAs} 1. c4 {0.01/0 0 Both last book move} e5 {0.21/64 0} 2. Nc3 {0.01/0 0} Nf6 {0.11/51 0} 3. Nf3 {0.01/0 0} Nc6 {0.00/50 0} 4. e4 {0.01/0 0} Bb4 {0.00/58 0} 5. d3 {0.01/0 0} d6 {0.00/71 0} 6. a3 {0.01/0 0} Bxc3+ {0.28/50 0} 7. bxc3 {0.21/23 1} h6 {0.00/48 0 (0-0)} 8. g3 {0.40/24 1} Be6 {0.12/44 0 (0-0)} 9. Bg2 {0.37/22 2} Qd7 {0.00/53 0} 10. Rb1 {0.31/23 2} Rb8 {-0.01/47 0 (b6)} 11. Nh4 {0.15/27 7} O-O {0.00/48 0} 12. a4 {0.00/30 9} Ne7 {0.00/41 0 (Nh7)} 13. f4 {0.00/23 1} Bg4 {0.00/45 0 (exf4)} 14. Qc2 {0.58/27 2} exf4 {0.00/43 0} 15. gxf4 {0.58/22 2} Ng6 {0.00/51 0} 16. Nf3 {0.59/22 2} Rbe8 {0.00/48 0 (Kh7)} 17. O-O {0.63/24 2} b6 {0.00/43 0} 18. f5 {0.81/24 2} Ne5 {0.00/44 0} 19. Nd4 {0.73/30 11} Kh7 {0.59/25 5 (a6)} 20. Ra1 {0.88/26 3 (h3)} g5 {0.11/45 0} 21. Ne2 {1.17/26 5 (a5)} Rg8 {0.65/23 3} 22. Ra2 {1.09/24 3} Bxe2 {0.80/26 6 (Nh5)} 23. Qxe2 {1.14/24 2} g4 {0.87/28 8} 24. Kh1 {1.00/28 6} Qe7 {0.81/25 2 (Qd8)} 25. Qe3 {0.92/23 2} Qf8 {0.97/28 3} 26. Rg1 {1.02/22 1 (Re2)} Rg5 {0.68/22 2} 27. Qe2 {1.02/24 2} Rg7 {1.09/30 12} 28. Qe3 {1.48/24 2} Rg5 {0.97/27 3} 29. Qg3 {1.46/25 3} Rh5 {0.88/27 2} 30. Re2 {1.38/22 2 (Rf1)} c5 {1.17/27 15} 31. Rf2 {1.39/28 7 (Bf4)} Qg8 {1.14/24 2} 32. Re1 {1.64/24 3 (Re2)} Qg7 {2.03/31 20 (Rg5)} 33. Bf4 {1.76/23 2} Rg5 {1.87/31 6} 34. Bxg5 {1.69/23 1 adjud.} 1-0

Why did the game end so quickly? Because in chessbase when I accidentally turn the mouse wheel the engines stop playing so I decided to predict the victory myself (you can see from the engines' evaluation that the victory goes to white's advantage)

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deeds wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:15 pm Hi tibono, maybe you missed this post :
https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.ph ... =10#p38155

Hi, thanks for the feedback. I did see this post but it didn't look that conclusive to my understanding: different settings provide different behaviors, yes I can see that. So what? It was to be expected.

Oh, I think I see your point now: test1a settings shouldn't be used for serious games, correct?

deeds wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:15 pmWhat are your results for test 1 ?

I didn't run the test, I didn't want to install a new engine just for that. Nonetheless interested, for my understanding... thanks again.
Regards,
Tibono

tibono wrote: ...Oh, I think I see your point now: test1a settings shouldn't be used for serious games, correct?

Exactly !

tibono wrote: I didn't run the test, I didn't want to install a new engine just for that. Nonetheless interested, for my understanding... thanks again.

No problem, other members were kind enough to do the tests to better enlighten the chess community.
There was no need to install anything, just run the downloaded engine...